Brexit - Labour to back 2nd referendum

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  1. Farnham_Red

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    Great news
     
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    Lets wait and see .. I'm not getting my hopes up yet
     
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    Common sense prevails. Thankfully.
     
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    I'm not getting my hopes up at all. When you have to be dragged kicking and screaming to do something, its highly unlikely you'll put much gusto into it when the time comes.
     
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    I think with Labour backing, a second referendum will be on. There is a parliamentary majority there.
     
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    I fear they will lose a lot of traditional Labour voters by doing this. I also fear that we ignored democracy and many people will never vote again.

    However, I don't understand why the remain camp don't quote Farage on this issue.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

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    The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."</i>
     
  8. Dan

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    There may be backing for a 2nd referendum, but what question would Labour endorse? I think he's been backed into a corner with the resignations and I can't see how Labour would campaign on a 2nd vote with Corbyns personal stance being to leave, and the open narrative has been to leave.
     
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    Oh FFS - sorry bit of gun jumping going on
     
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    Theres an online movement (think its called something like "led by donkeys") that's been publishing statements from the leavers highlighting their stances in years gone by and how it contradicts with the rot they've been coming out with in the last few years. They had a huge advert on the digital signage outside the Euro Parliament of some May comment stating how damaging leaving the EU would be. Not going to get much remain campaigning through the pro right media.
     
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    it is - worth a follow if you want to enjoy that banging your head against a brick wall feeling
     
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    I don't understand how referring a matter back to the electorate once further detail and facts are known can be described as "ignoring democracy". Surely it's the opposite?
     
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    Remainders win 2nd referendum, 2 years later will there be third one, a decider.
     
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    Or penalties? But when Corbyn is subbed will he refuse to leave the field?
     
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    Nah, straight to penalties. Brexiters lose when Rees Mogg tries to take the decisive penalty with a croquet mallet
     
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    I've got to say, the right wingers have done well in their focus group testing with this concept of a "decider". Of course its ridiculous on the basis people were given such little detail making the choice one of tribalism, and hence why they don't want to give people any opportunity to change their mind. Farage ahead of the vote was saying he would keep campaigning and pushing for another referendum, Rees Mogg suggested a two phase vote would be best way forward several years prior, now that's being proposed, of course he doesn't want any of it.

    Would a leave voter complain if a 2nd referendum was put to the people if the deal May was attempting allowed free movement and we just paid in for access of services we wanted, while benefitting from single market and customs union? And personally, I'd advocate a 2nd referendum has to be the basis for anything ever conducted like this again if its a complex issue (though I doubt a government would ever do such a thing!)

    Its just common sense and is the ultimate democracy. The people decide. They have the right to change their mind in the light of time and change of circumstances or evidence.
     
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    What about 1975? This IS the decider!
     
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    Only acceptable 2nd referendum, would be on how we leave the EU Club.

    1) Leave with the governments deal
    or
    2) Leave with no deal.

    If remain finds it’s way onto the ballot paper, it’ll be yellow vest time.
     
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    Nah, it's foxtrot Oscar to the ERG time!
     
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    Why? The original vote was flawed as nobody had any idea what they were voting for.

    I keep hearing about 'the Brexit people voted for' but I've yet to hear anyone tell me what that was
     
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