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  1. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Well-Known Member

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    Yes I see your point but I don't agree. The furlough scheme is to help companies through this period and to try and protect jobs for employees.

    Football clubs, have within weeks, put their lowest earners on furlough yet continue to pay other staff a kings ransom every week.

    Are the clubs who have furloughed staff facing such financial hardship that they need the taxpayer to bail them out and pay the lowest earning staff 80% of their salary. It absolutely stinks in my opinion.
     
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    havana red1 Well-Known Member

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    He could have walked it.
    So not much different than the tory mps salary of 82k a year then. Beats my NHS salary hands down.
     
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    I can see the point you are making and I agree clubs like liverpool furlonging non playing staff is disgusting. But it's nothing to do with rooney or any other player signing a contract on ex amount of money and then getting pressure from the media or public to take a pay cut when a global pandemic is on. Like said footballers are a easy target all the other celebs and mps raking it in dont get that treatment.

    Why doesnt tony blair and the rest of the retired prime ministers take a pension cut? They can afford it drop in the ocean to them.
     
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    This is exactly the point. And the thing is, the position at a football club that is surplus to requirements at the moment is that of player. Those in the finance department are required in order to try to balance the books with very little money coming in. The grass still needs cutting. The media department are still putting out news. The cleaners still need to be there to clean the areas of anyone who has to work. The recruitment team have to believe we will be playing again in the future so need to assess the data. The chairman and directors should be busier than ever, formulating initiatives to keep the club afloat. But the players, their job is to play football. There is no football. None. Zero. Not now and not anytime soon. No training either. The very first to be furloughed should be the players. They are utterly superfluous. The 80 percent offered by the government to the maximum of 2500 per month will give them enough to live on. Decent wage that.
     
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    Yep, I don't blame the players specifically, I blame the clubs. Where I do / would criticise players is if they had / have a chance to help their colleagues and refuse.

    The highest wage earners in my company have all taken pay cuts of varying degrees to limit the impact and hopefully protect jobs in the medium to long term. Many of my colleagues have been furloughed but it could have been worse.

    I don't know if footballers have been asked to take pay cuts to protect the lower paid employees at the club but if they have and refused then they should be ashamed.
     
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    Lewis Hamilton is taking a cut as is Sebastian Vettel, Charles LeClerk, Lando Norris, Carlos Sainz, George Russell, Nicholas Latifi,

    Norris, Sainz, Russell and Latifi all took immediate pay cuts when their teams furloughed lower paid staff.
     
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    I agree actually, and it's just political. Tokenism that has very little benefit to anyone other than the rich owners paying the wages. A deflection tactic to get everyone pointing their fingers at rich footballers cos this Covid-19 thing is all their fault. If I owned the club I'd furlough the players, not take up the government offer, and drop the wages of all players to that of the lowest paid player, using the savings to keep paying the backroom team. But I wouldn't be campaigning for players wages to be cut.

    It's like this clapping for NHS staff - more tokenism. Rather than clap them let's just double the wages of every carer, nurse, orderly, porter, anyone on the front line. Not just now, during the crisis, but forever. Something that actually means something, that benefits them and shows them how important they are.

    And rather than pointing the finger at footballers (or actors or musicians or whatever) take the tax money, the billions and billions, that large companies, financiers, traders and bankers owe this country.
     
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    You've got to be impressed with Birmingham City players' decision to take a 50% pay cut, so that non-playing staff could all be retained. You might say that they jumped the gun, but i say that they responded as soon as they saw the need arise and realise the value these staff are to the whole club and what a generous gesture can do in terms of building up community spirit in its widest sense. It won't just be the non-playing staff at Birmingham who appreciate what the players did off their own bat, it will be the wider community of the whole city. Football getting back its the roots of its origins. Well done, Blues players!
     
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    It doesn't come down to pay cuts, Footballers aren't working, in essence there company as closed so they should be under the same as the rest who have been forloughed, MP's on the other hand are still working
     
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    So that's Derby, Millwall and Sheff Wed furloughing staff, with only Chansiri making up the extra 20%.
     
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    But they have signed a contract over a period of time for a set amount each week/year, it's looking like the season could resume in june so this could be there summer break.
     
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    I don't understand why the players can't be furloughed. What is so special about their contracts and terms of employment which means the clubs can't do it?

    I'd love to see them on £2,500 a month (before tax).
     
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    Is it? You must be looking from a very odd angle.
     
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    So I keep hearing behind closed doors apparently.
     
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    I think the criticism of players is totally misplaced. The choice to furlough staff comes from the club. It’s the clubs and their owners who are taking advantage of a scheme designed to help small and medium size employers through this crisis. It was never the intention that all businesses should put their staff on furlough.

    I’m not claiming to be some kind of moral warrior but the firm I’m a partner in have no intention of furloughing any of our 18,000 staff. The partners have done pretty well over the last ten years and now is the time to stand up and take the pain before it falls on staff.

    Spectemur Agendo seems very apt in these times.
     
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    I'm trying to stay out of furlough as a company director as long as I can. If I take it, the future of my subcontractors & directly for me getting out of this with an agency is ****** in the long term. These are not people making mega bucks, they are people scraping by at the best of times. Rooney is ******* dimwit, who i care not one jot for. I care for the good people I employ. TBH the whole of the top of the football pyramid is made up of a lot of people I would not give a ventilator to, over someone working in our NHS or social services.
     
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    I can tell you now it won't
     
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    So have most workers, I've a signed contract but I'm now on 80% and my company will start back up at some point but I won't get the missed 20% back, so why do you think footballers are different, other than you idolise them as some ultra humans to be worshipped like gods
     
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    As I've posted on another thread. I've come to realise pay cuts in it's simplest form for wage earners be it footballers or celebrities (some soap stars are not on what everyone thinks are massive amounts, as someone pointed out, less than some tradesmen for example) It may not be the answer. It's the owners we should be targeting. Cutting someone's wage is not as beneficial to the country in these high circumstances(eg the tax lost on the cut amount.) As players donating part of their net income to those those that need it. If a player takes a wage cut . I'm pretty sure the only people to benefit will be greedy owners.
    Another way is to increase the tax above a certain threshold temporarily. I believe it's 45% above £150,000 per annum. Introduce Say for £300,000 and above 90% tax. Has been as high as that in the past. By my reckoning someone on £400,000 per annum will still have a net pay of around £175,000 per annum. Wi a good accountant more.
    Based on my figures Wayne Rooney rumoured to be on. £90,000 per week would still have £600,000 net pa. £12,000 per week. £1700 per day to live on. How will he get by.
     
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    Couldnt give a **** I don't idolise anyone irrelevant of how much money they have or how much they earn no different to me or you. I'm on 80% missing bonuses etc.
    Like I said in my previous posts all the pressure is on footballers to take a volentry pay cut but none on tyson fury, soap stars etc.
     

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