Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

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Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

Poll closed Aug 13, 2018.
  1. I voted Leave but now think it was a mistake

    8 vote(s)
    3.4%
  2. I voted Remain but now think it was a mistake

    4 vote(s)
    1.7%
  3. I voted Leave and haven't changed my mind

    62 vote(s)
    26.2%
  4. I voted Remain and haven't changed my mind

    143 vote(s)
    60.3%
  5. I didn't vote in the referendum

    20 vote(s)
    8.4%
  1. Austiniho

    Austiniho Well-Known Member

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    My mistake, it was you.
     
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    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

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    Just to try and help clear this up.... Gally and co are providing stats that suggest people who furthered their education voted remain. You are interpreting that as them saying thick people voted leave. That isn't what they're saying.

    Jesus!!!
     
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    Austiniho Well-Known Member

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    Clearly, but why? It has no bearing. It’s like saying people who wore sandals with socks voted remain.

    I do believe that you have got a handle on this better than them though, you say statistics that suggest. They say statistics that are facts. Thanks for clearing it up though.

    Buddah!!!!

     
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    1. It is a fact that areas that voted Remain have more educated people than the areas that voted leave. Not an opinion, not based on polls but an actual hard fact.

    2. No, having a degree in whatever doesn’t mean that that person had a better understanding of what Brexit meant.

    You seem to be confusing the two points and believing that people are saying that having a degree meant that people made a better or more informed choice and that is why you keep referring to it as an opinion. That cannot be ascertained from the data so that would be an opinion, however that is not what the fact is claiming, it is very simply saying that places that had higher educated people
    voted Remain. It offers no reason for why that may be the case, it is just reporting that that is what happened.
     
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    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

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    So how do you personally ever ascertain that things are fact then? When you like how it sounds?

    If a footballer has a pass completion rate of Xx% is that not a fact then because that is drawn from stats?

    If Barnsley has X% of its population as Asian, is that also not fact?

    I don't understand why you have such a big problem with stats. Stats are stats... if you then draw an incorrect inference from that (like you have for the past several pages), then its you that's the issue not the stats themselves.
     
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    Well we agree on some things.

    However;
    1) I concur that statistics indicate that areas that voted remain have more educated people... what they don’t indicate is whether these educated people voted remain or leave.

    2) agree fully, and as I’ve said, I’m not sure anyone on either side still does!

    I’m not confusing the point, just failing to see the relevance. Although it offers no judgement overtly, the inference is that people who “understood” voted remain. When clearly in “2” we both agree that they didn’t.
     
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    It is a fact that I've lost the will to live.
     
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    Putting brexit to one side, I have a problem with the term better educated. Are you inferring someone with a degree in drama is considered better educated than someone with a full construction apprenticeship for instance?
    Would you say that someone who’s gone from a levels to a degree in nursing is better educated than someone who’s worked their way up on the job over time and gained a high diploma?
    What level would you consider yourself to be educated enough to take the side of either sets of self serving liars?
    Sounds a bit patronising to me
     
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    Who would have thought education would have touched such a raw nerve?

    My daily education seems to infer there is now no such thing as fact. The earth isn't spherical, we don't need oxygen to breathe and water isn't wet. There is just a suggestion that they are.
     
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    Simple, statistics can be facts if they take in to account all the data. A footballers pass rate takes into account all the passes they make in the game. So every pass is assessed. Therefore can be facts.

    Barnsley has a constant moving population so saying there is x amount of the population is not a fact, however you could introduce an error rate, say to the nearest 10,000.

    I haven’t drawn an incorrect inference, I have stated over and over and over that they are both not reliable or relevant.

    So for clarity, facts are things that are 100% correct. Not an inference from less than 0.5% of the data set.
     
  11. Gally

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    I didn't say that either.
     
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    I apologise if this wasn’t you.
     
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    In the context of what we are talking about it relates to the level of academic (or vocational) qualifications they attained. Here's a diagram of the various levels of higher education. I've no idea where each of your examples fit but I'm sure you can work it out
    https://www.naric.org.uk/europass/documents/ds_chart.pdf
     
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    Which means nothing in relation to this issue.

    Are you even educated enough to vote remain?
     
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    You should apologise for reading and not understanding. Are you saying there aren't polls and research out that put forward the notion that people with higher education levels were more likely to vote remain? (Hint i posted one of them earlier in this thread)

    Anyway, you crack on misreading and misinterpreting. I've wasted enough time.
     
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    I'm answering someone's question. Do do you need some education in how these forums work?
     
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    To what point? Here’s some more crap that is worthless twaddle!



    Now crack on.
     
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    Remember that a Drama degree is not just 3 years of prancing about on stage. Typically it also includes direction, stage craft, choreography, writing, drama.and possibly even elements of theatre management, etc.

    But in terms of better educated, as Gally linked to, a Level 6 Vocational Qualification (NVQ Level 6) or City & Guilds Graduateship or Associateship is equivalent to a degree. Not going to comment on which is the easier route though.

    And the argument was never that graduates understood the geopolitical implications of Brexit, just that they are more supportive of the UKs continuing membership of the EU than non-graduates.
     
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    Yes
     
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    That made no sense. Unless you are saying that before the referendum you told every voter that only thick people vote leave and vice versa.
     

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