Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

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Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

Poll closed Aug 13, 2018.
  1. I voted Leave but now think it was a mistake

    8 vote(s)
    3.4%
  2. I voted Remain but now think it was a mistake

    4 vote(s)
    1.7%
  3. I voted Leave and haven't changed my mind

    62 vote(s)
    26.2%
  4. I voted Remain and haven't changed my mind

    143 vote(s)
    60.3%
  5. I didn't vote in the referendum

    20 vote(s)
    8.4%
  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Hey I just found an advantage to brexit.
    The draconian red tape in the EU insists we give lots of training to our doctors
    We could easily solve the crisis of doctor shortages if we trained them less something we will be able to implement after brexit

    I didnt know Leave.EU did Irony - or do they seriously think shortening doctors training is a good idea
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    PS
     
  3. Austiniho

    Austiniho Well-Known Member

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    And my argument being you can’t be sure how they voted.... and what does it matter, they are no better or qualified in leaving the EU than anyone else. Even if they have designed a set and written a script.
     
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    Austiniho Well-Known Member

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    No, this has only happened since, In the hope of a second election to belittle a section of the voting public.

    But that’s not what my post said, Try reading it again, it may make sense.
     
  5. troff

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    I can assure you, very little in any of your posts on this thread make sense.
     
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    I've read it four times now, and it still doesn't make sense.

    Lets use simple words.

    On the day of the referendum, there was a strong correlation between higher education levels and higher Remain votes in each region everywhere in the UK. This correlation does not exist for the favoured political party in that area and is not as strong for the age demographics within an area. Correlations are also present for areas with higher levels of migrants and higher average incomes - although these can be related to the higher education levels (better jobs attract better qualified candidates and more migrants).

    This is nothing to do with opinion polls, post-referendum or on the day. This is pure analysis of the votes for each area against the population statistics for each area - from the 2011 census and other data that is kept on citizens by the government and local councils.

    As a comparison, Barnsley was 60+% Leave voters. Oxford was 70% Remain. Barnsley has some of the most deprived areas in the UK and poor educational attainment among residents (and relatively low immigration). Oxford has some of the most deprived areas in the UK and poor educational attainment among residents. Oxford has higher levels of immigration and more jobs, particularly those in higher paying or more knowledge-based industries. It also has higher level of graduates among the adult population than Barnsley, and 25% of children are below the poverty line.

    Remember that many of the immigrants couldn't vote in the referendum. Can you explain why one area with very similar profile voted so differently to another area, with the only obvious difference being the higher number of graduates in the adult population?

    Have you heard of Occam's Razor? Its a principle that if you have have different theories about something the simplest one is most likely correct. In this case, those with higher levels of educational achievement are more supportive of the EU.
     
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    We need Johnnie Cochrane and his Chewbacca defence...

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    So simple words.... let me try again. The correlation between the areas do not create facts. They indicate possible trends. What about the age demographic in these areas? The class of these areas? And many more drivers that you fail to include. But that doesn’t fit your soundbite . But this is also meaningless speculation as no one knows for sure. And to be honest is pointless exercise.

    But back to my main argument... I’ll write it in caps so you can read it better...

    SO WHAT!!! THE EDUCATION LEVEL OF A TOWN DOES NOT INDICATE IT’S ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE EU REFERENDUM.

    SO WHAT!!! THE EDUCATION LEVEL OF A TOWN DOES NOT INDICATE IT’S ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE EU REFERENDUM.

    Ive written it twice, just so you can see it from your holier than though towers....
     
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    Maybe you need to be educated.
     
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    Maybe you need to take your own advice regarding education and holier than though towers
     
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    I have understood everything you’ve said.. I’ve not agreed with it, but have understood. Your default disagreeing mechanism seems to be that you don’t understand. My posts are quite clear, but I’m always being educated... as is everyone.

    Let’s just say we disagree rather than saying dont understand. Also instead of attempting to belittle either side of argument by trying to work out who voted what, let’s try to work out the best way forward. The vote happened, we’re leaving or maybot not. But trying to imply that Barnsley folk had less of a right than oxford folk to decide is ridiculous.
     
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    Is that not more to do with the job opportunities they're qualified for could lead to a job anywhere in Europe. As opposed to a non graduate who are more likely to look for work locally in the area they grew up.
     
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  13. Dan

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    Everyone has a right to vote, a right to waste their vote, a right to not vote. I haven't seen anyone belittle anyone here relating to the education data, just merely state that the poll data demonstrates those with higher education voted more in favour of remain.

    I didn't go to University. I'm less academically educated than someone who did. That's just how it is. I don't see why someone would get bent out of shape about life choices unless you've a chip on your shoulder about it.

    Let's say it as it is, if you have a CV, and you have a section about Education, it will list your academics and qualifications. If you started listing life learning in there, you wouldn't get too many interviews.

    So I'm really not sure what all the kafuffle (always though that was a c, you really do learn something every day!) is all about really.
     
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    Ok so my point again.... why bring it in to the debate? ...Pointless twaddle? Agenda? Whatever the reason it is not constructive or going to change anything..
     
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    Perhaps that is an assumption that can be made from it. Perhaps they better understand the workings of their particular field and anticipated the potential problems caused by Brexit. For example, senior management of companies with JiT supply chains or import businesses might appreciate the potential ramifications more than the person working on the production line.

    Many graduates do stay in the place where they graduate, but those that leave home are 18 are more mobile than those that start work in their local area.
     
  16. Dan

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    Point of interest, aspect to be debated? If we can never know anything, why do we debate a football game we lost so much? After all, we can't change anything. pointless twaddle? Agenda against players, manager, owners?

    Why discuss or debate anything at all, why try and assess why something has happened, or how it may happen again?

    As I said before, i'm not quite sure why a few people delving deeper into statistical data and trying to extrapolate a reason is being viewed as a mechanism to belittle and denigrate.
     
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    I’m just tired of the same old thing rolled out... ie people who voted brexit were stupid, illiterate, northern racists who have no idea what they have done.... anyway I’m done, people can make up some more “facts” if they want. Enjoy your summer, game tomorrow...
     
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    I'm an ardent remainer, and yes, even on here you see examples of racism. And i've seen first hand such things too. It's easy to tar with a brush that everyone who did x were y. And I'm guilty of that too. There will be people who voted (both remain and leave) who are pretty thick and you wouldn't trust to hold your pint for you. I know such people. I'm sure you do too. So its safe to extrapolate that parts of voting choices were done so through ignorance, fear, bias and personal belief. On both sides.

    But enjoy the rest of your summer too, hopefully we get a win, and hopefully there is lots of healthy debate about it that people don't get easily offended by.
     
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