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  1. Gue

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    I'm working on a lengthy, written project about the Club and it's identity but I'm struggling to find some information on the Club badges.

    I'm looking for information on what they mean and why they were used—except for the the obvious:white rose=yorkshire etc—and equally why we changed from one to another. Does anyone have any information on the following badges, or can any one to refer me to any sites or books on:

    The Coat of Arms
    The White Rose
    The Oakwell
    Toby Tyke badge
    The Red Flag

    Tar you lot. Anything will be a big help.

    Oh, one other thing, does anyone actually know what our first badge was?

    Tar again.
     
  2. Terry Nutkins

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    The white rose

    Was brought in by Allan Clarke mid 80s.</p>

    He wanted it to signify Yorkshire much in the way Leeds did.</p>

    Or he just wanted a Leeds badge on the reds shirt.</p>

    TBH I think it was the yorkshire aspect more than the aforementioned.</p>
     
  3. Gue

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    Cheers. And was it dropped in the early 00's for the Crest—about 03'?
     
  4. Terry Nutkins

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    I would think before that

    Haven't we had the crest longer than 5 years?
     
  5. BorderTerrier

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    Well, first ever kit was

    navy blue and maroon stripes Barnsley St.Peters when we were formed 1887. Played up the hill from Oakwell, on the flatter ground at top of Oakwell Lane near the Dove pub.

    Not sure what the badge was, but ask E.I.Addio, he'll probably remember.
     
  6. Gue

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    RE: I would think before that

    I'm a little unsure.

    Looking through old programmes and books, the Town coat of arms has been used in and out of the years. But for a reason to why it was re-adopted, my instinct hints at the possibility of the Council's involvement from the administration days. Some kind of agreement—a 'we'll give you some money, you use our crest' handshake maybe?

    Again that's just my head as I've not been able to dig much up on the crest with particular focus on the Club.
     
  7. Turvey Tyke

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    Crest was on the shirts for the 1910 final

    The origins of the Barnsley Bulldog who eventually became Toby Tyke can be traced back to the army mascot "Buller". Heres a postcard recently on ebay. Toby (of Wyngrove) was the name of a Pedigree Bulldog owed by Arthur Braithwaite from Wath that was paraded on Barnsleys travels in the 1960s. The cartoon "Toby Tyke" appeared on programmes from the mid sixties onwards.

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  8. Terry Nutkins

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    Not the crest as it is now though Turvey

    You are right about the bull dog bit though
     
  9. Terry Nutkins

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    The crest was on pre admin nt
     
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  11. Gue

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    RE: Crest was on the shirts for the 1910 final

    So Toby Tyke originated from the Barnsley Battalion Bulldog or from the traveling mascot in the 1960's, or both?

    I assume that 'Tyke' was added as it's just a Yorkshire term.

    Also, with him being the mascot, it's right that we were one of the first Clubs with a mascot with Amos and the Donkey, right?
     
  12. Turvey Tyke

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    The Town Crest returned to the shirts ....

    in Mr Doyles time at the club.
     
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    The oakwell badge was because behind the east stand is / was a wood and it had oak trees and a well in it. It also used to have ropeswing which I fell off in the early eighties - Got some reight bruises and grazes.
     
  14. Gue

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    There's been a number of different versions of the Oakwell symbol, but when was it brought it?

    Personally I think it's one of the better badges we have. We had it on a shirt on it's own, no text or anything, when Glavin was on form, and it was brill. Very early Spurs and classic Coventry (just the elephant on the ball). Then again not everyone's cup of tea is it.
     
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    The way I see it is ....

    Barnsley becomes associated with the bulldog due to the First World War Army mascot. In the 1930s this is reinforced with the cigarette card and various images (see below). 1960s Arthur Braithwaite parades his Crufts winning "Toby" at Oakwell and local away grounds then the Club adds "Tyke" to cartoon dogs name.


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  16. Gue

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    Great thread this - wonder if the club could help you with the dates and eras badges changed may be worth dropping them a line.For me the Town crest is appropriate for what PC and SD are trying to acheive at this moment in time,but have a lot of good memories of the Oakwell crest still have my 1980 pennant on my lounge wall. When I can work out how to do it will have on my posts. There is scope for a Book/DVD comemorating the centenary of the Cup win in 2012,hope the club doesn't pass up a chance to remember this event in our proud history.
     
  17. Wuz

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    Well said Percy. It would be great to celebrate the winning of the FA Cup 100 years on. Apparently the Mackems celebrate the 1973 win every year (?) (dunno) Anyhow; to put my two penneth in and without reading prior posts, the town's crest represents a collier and a glassworker which have been the two main industrial means of employment within the town for years. I think the words 'Spectemur Agendo' mean "Judge us by our actions". :)
     
  18. Gue

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    I've tried to get in touch with the Club. I wanted to see the exhibition of the history and memorabilia and they gave me a run around before telling me that it was in their board rooms and not available to be seen.

    I really would like to speak to them about the crests and what/where they see the Club's identity moving on to in the future. Where would we all like to see it?

    I appreciate the crest in the fact that it represents the town,and that whole community thing is what they are trying to achieve, but when I see it it just says Council to me and not many people like their council.
     
  19. Gue

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    Cheers 'brer.

    Do you know why we replaced the white rose with the crest? And why we threw out the crest in the first place?
     
  20. Wuz

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    Right then... here's abit more bum-fluff!....

    Originally there was just the shield which was granted in 1869. The miner and the glassworker were incorporated in 1913.
    The falcon with padlock, and the boar's head (within the red band) are from the local families of Locke and Beckett, and the griffin represents the Wentworth family. Above these in the black band are two silver cups and a cross - these represent Monk Bretton Priory.
    The pickaxes represent local industries along with the miner and glassworker. These two blokes used to be on opposite sides but they were switched for some reason (?). Apparently the glassworker that is tanding on a grassy mould also represents the rural areas of the borough - note the miner is stood on some coal.
    The former local authority areas from the borough in 1974 are represented in a circle of 14 points beneath the griffon's claw.
    The two shuttles within the central shield apparently represent the linen trade, which was one of Barnsley's main industries in the 1800's.

    I hope this helps ar kid?
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