No Deal Brexit

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  1. churtonred

    churtonred Well-Known Member

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    I know, I will get around to it.
    The truth is that my knowledge of Irish internal politics is quite vague as there's no pressing need to know too much. All the parties, and there are quite a few, seem much of a muchness, very little in the way of extremes. Quite refreshing really.
    That said I got myself put on the electoral roll last week so they can all get ready as I sharpen me voting pencil!
     
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    if they DID absolutely promise, then show me bud, like i say all i've ever seen are assumptions
     
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    if brexit was to blame the why are companies like ALDI expanding,ALDI are opening dozens of new stores and are just in the process of opening another RDC.Their company directors will be far better informed than a 'woman' at the other end of a phone simply stating 'its got to have'
     
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    "We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave."

    Vote Leave leaflet, June 2016



    "We negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation."

    Vote Leave website, 2 May 2016



    "The referendum will be followed by negotiations with the other 27 EU member states, following which the UK will strike a new deal with the EU based on free trade and friendly cooperation."

    Vote Leave website, 8 May 2016
     
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    like i say'assumptions' theres a difference, prior to your selective quotes it does say ''Technological and economic forces are changing the world fast. EU institutions cannot cope. We have lost control of vital policies. This is damaging. We need a new relationship. What should it be?'', the vote leave website is simply setting out its ideals, its not promising anything
     
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    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    If semantics are your argument now I think we best leave it there.
     
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    nothing to do with semantics, your post was trying to illustrate this notion of an easy trade deal when in fact the article goes onto say that Fox clearly said it wouldnt be easy in practice,
    selective journalism, so for different reasons we'll leave there.
     
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    So exiting the EU means no changes to rules on agriculture, fisheries, labour and the environment?
     
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    If you're going to leave then the Norway model is clearly one that can work (Norway is also a place full of wacky Corbynist style ideas), but that wouldn't fly because of both sides unwillingness to compromise. At that point Remain thought they could stop the entire deal and Leave wanted a deal 'on better terms'. That model now looks like a distant dream.

    I'm sure the EU would huff and puff but would renegotiate the terms, but the reason why we're stuck is oddly enough because Johnson won't renegotiate the May deal, the one he voted down 3 times. May drew her red lines and unless we ask to change we're stuck with them.

    I'm not one for patriotism but on a fundamental level we look like a bit of a laughing stock.
     
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    I can't show you without digging. I know for a fact though that I listened to various editions of Question Time where it was absolutely stated with the additional assurance that if the EU didn't offer us a good deal then the German manufacturing industry would insist that they did.
    I'm not one for making stuff up and that's definitely what was said.
    :)
     
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    Not representing their constituents? There’s been a GE since the referendum!

    Explain this to me, anyone. The Leave voters & their political champions frequently use the argument that Cameron said the vote would be “binding”!
    If it had been “binding”, it would have been made “null & void”! (Electoral commission)

    So, if you argue for “binding”, you must accept it should be “null & void”. Let’s go with that & have a “real” referendum now that we know what the situation could be! I’m a remainer but would abide by the outcome as I would then truly believe that everyone knew what they were voting for - if you think this is condescending, I apologise but look at what was said at the time & later

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    Not unless Parliament wishes there to be.
     
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    I'm not disagreeing, but they can and do lobby, and have at times pushed, but can't insist, the EU Commission is not easy to influence.

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/01/12/inenglish/1515755694_911389.html
     
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    i watch every single question time and cannot remember a single 'promise' and as i keep saying , all that i've heard are assumptions and these assumptions are from both sides of the debate and not limited to one camp

    i never mentioned german industry but as you correctly say this has been bandied about on not only BBCQT but a whole host of other debates and not without good reason to be honest because different organisations in germany have indeed expressed concerns over a no deal brexit and how it will affect the german economy, heres two examples from a couple of years ago when german industry was lobbying the eu commisioners

    https://www.cityam.com/german-industry-lobby-group-warns-hard-brexit-risks/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565

    Again, i was not talking about germany i was talking about this 'everything easy tag' that the remain supporters seem to be pinning on the leave camp and pompeys quote/link even goes onto state that Liam Fox did indeed say thing would not be easy in practice, the link didnt even support what pompey was saying
     
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    Their policies based around religion are extreme by the standards of the rest of the UK.
     
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    The EU also makes your camper van holidays so much easier.
     
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