Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by Watcher_Of_The_Skies, Sep 6, 2019.
Point of order as much has been said about MP's not doing what their constituents votes for....
If you go on Houses of Parliament website it gives you a job description which basically says
Their job is to attend, contribute and debate and to feedback to their constiuents
Yeah anyone who thinks that the primary role of their mp is to parrot the views of their constituents knows nothing about the role or how our parliament is constituted.
At the end of the day their constituents will be the ones to re-elect them, so to fly in the face of their views on an argument as divisive as Brexit is a dangerous one. If people like Hammond are allowed to stand as independent conservatives, I can't see the official Conservative winning the seat. Will be very complex & it is hard to predict the outcome across the country. I see two positions, one regarding domestic policy & one regarding Brexit. Labour will be keep to make ground with the former, if they are to do well & leave the second referendum, with renegotiated leave deal, a la Norway, which you mentioned in another thread to deal with that. A Norway type deal leaves no need for the back stop as well & it is one that the EU have indicated they would accept.
Been saying this for ages on here, no one listens...
They’re choosing not to listen to continue with their agendas
No one could stop Hammond standing in that capacity though i suspect he is in the mood to cause mischief by fighting legally to stand as a tory.
Norway plus was always the sensible compromise unfortunately the tories decided to irrationally morph into the EDL giving into extremists and basing policy on them. This mess is on them.
I try to keep out of political debates as much as possible as a) they bore me and b) I think they are all self serving wankers who I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire( which is a bit awkward at times as my former M.P is a school friend of my wife and did invite us up to London whenever we wanted!) However, I do feel that a G.E at the moment could be interesting as I think that a lot pf people have lost respect and trust in the 2 major parties due to Brexit. This will not let the Lib Dems in though as they are staunch remainers( in theory as Leave won the referendum than they are starting on the back foot). Certain areas of the country are going to elect certain regional parties, SNP, Plaid Cymru(sp) and Sinn Fein, but given the rest of the UK where these parties do not operate, could a G.E now result in smaller parties( in the case of Cornwall Mebyon Kernow - but I'm sure similar exist across the country)gaining a seat in the Commons as people start to shun the larger parties in favour of more locally sympathetic groups, or will the status quo exist in certain areas where despite the majority voting to leave an M.P will still get in who is a remainer/ or working for a party who are remain?
Interesting theory .
Imo I think the Two major parties will still have a big say but I think the large majorities have gone especially for my party Labour as the nationalist party’s in Scotland and Wales plus Greens etc have made inroads into our main support .
I think The Tory’s could muster a working govt on their own but not a massive majority but enough to push most of their agendas .
An election will be interesting because Brexit and anti Brexit party’s could cause a few upsets .
Maybe not by winning so many seats as per se but eating at the electorate to reduce or diminish votes enough to help the opposite party .
As you say interesting and possibly scary times .
Sounds like a bit of a get out clause for MPs if you ask me . " I voted for war in Iraq because I considered it in the national interest " . It merely allows MPs to make a decision and not be beholden to their constituents but does not automatically make the decision they are making the correct one .
I think an MP should make what they consider to be the right decision.
I think it’d be ridiculous for a Barnsley MP to go against their beliefs to back a no deal Brexit even though they think it would be catastrophic for the country just because a large chunk of people round here voted leave for racist reasons & many others didn’t understand what they were voting for.
They’ll be on record as voting for that for years. It’ll be held against them throughout their time in politics if a no deal Brexit was a disaster.
By the way I’m not claiming all leave voters are racist or idiots but there’s a lot round here that are. From speaking to people, seeing interviews & reading Facebook comments it’s pretty obvious.
Norway is in the EEA but has to make substantial contributions to the EU budget and has to follow many EU rules and laws, but it has no say in how those rules are formed. Why would anyone leave the EU to move to that? The Brexit cult is after complete removal from all of that, therefore, unacceptable.
That's the problem though isn't it. Other than a complete "no deal", non of them have come up with anything. Agree with your summing up of the Norway option, just like May's deal, it's worse than remain.
i'm a staunch leaver JP but would now accept this sort of deal, again dependant on the exact wording but a norway type arrangement if i remermber correctly was mentioned during the leave campaign and if this type of compromise means a bit more unity in this country then i'll take it
i've said it before and i'll say it again, this country was divided before the referendum the result of which only highlighted this, if a compromise goes some way to making this place better then i'll take it because leaving with no deal wont achieve this and staying as we were wont either, a compromise has to be found to sort out the divisions (imo)
I think the single market & free movement is more the stumbling block of their deal mate.
Surely the responsibility of an mp is to abuse their position to gain as much influence towards their next position whilst claiming as many expenses as possible.
Secondary would be to fool as many voters(mugs/suckers) into believing anything that will be in their(your) best interests to be top of the priority list.
Thirdly, that they will be helping their own party(blindly followed cult) achieve your(their) goals
This shall be achieved by being in a job that you cannot possibly be sacked from no matter how badly you do with an eye watering nest egg pension
And here is a perfect example of how an MP should behave following the principles in the OP
Asking a foreign government to work against the will of Parliament what clearer example of getting our sovereignty back could you ask for
But if you think your MP is behaving like that then you can vote for someone else who'll behave better, luckily we live in a democracy. This has been covered above but the important point is we do live in a democracy, but not a direct democracy. We elect MPs to act on our behalf rather than having lots of referendums like the Swiss do. In this case May's government tried and failed to act on an advisory referendum and it's completely consistent with the system that MPs view facts as they are now and act accordingly, even if this means we can't get out on the 31st October. Anyone who doesn't like how their MP has behaved will be able to vote for the Brexit Party who explicitly support no deal at the next election.
I'm sorry dek, but I disagree. In all my years, I've heard people moan about lots of things: the council, the government, the state of the roads, the NHS, drugs, crime, housing, transport, immigration, benefits system, prices, wages, etc, etc. Compared to that lot the amount of moaning specifically about the EU has been very small. Almost non-existent. To say that we've been a divided nation is wrong. Saying so suggests that we've all been at each others throats for a long time, when the reality is that the division only happened when the referendum was announced.
The Tories were divided. The country wasn't, not until they dragged us all to hell and back for the sake of party unity.
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