So out means remain

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  1. por

    portsmouth tyke Well-Known Member

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    Well done priminister you have certainly been bent over and and anal fisted by the eu from a great height. Creature !!!
     
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    Marlon Well-Known Member

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    Imo a 52% to 48% majority is hardly a mandate to dictate a withdrawal from rules and obligations we partook in drawing up in case anyone wanted to leave .
     
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    What did you expect? if you can explain how it was ever going to be any different the government wound no doubt be pleased to here it
     
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    Another election. Brilliant. With both parties avoiding dealing with this absolute clusterf**k called Brexit because they're scared shitless of their xenophobic little englander base.
     
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    It's quite simple. The UK should remain in the EU. England should then leave the UK. Solves the Irish border question. The Scots get what they want. The EU can go whistle. It'd become a negotiation between England and the rest of the UK. I imagine there'd even be the opportunity for remainers to move to Scotland or Wales if they wished to continue being EU citizens.
     
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    What a bizarre choice of language.....
     
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    portsmouth tyke Well-Known Member

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    Then it should have been made clear at the time of referendum, as far as I am aware I was asked do you wish to LEAVE or remain, maybe I read it wrong
     
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    portsmouth tyke Well-Known Member

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    Even my wife still doesn't get my dark sense of humour
     
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    churtonred Well-Known Member

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    The British public were never qualified to make the decision in the first place. They should never have been asked. Much less asked then bombarded with false information.
     
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    Plankton Pete Well-Known Member

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    'Oh it was a joke!', she said, whilst trying to retrieve the watch she'd misplaced in your rectum.
     
  11. por

    portsmouth tyke Well-Known Member

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    No they wouldn't, I don't think they have listened to 17 million of the voters, they certainly wouldn't be interested in mine btw I was expecting to leave
     
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    portsmouth tyke Well-Known Member

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    That may well be the case but regardless, we were asked
     
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    Would you say that the public is in a better, more informed position now to have a vote on leaving/remaining in the EU?
     
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    So what would you have done differently ?
    Brexiteers pushed for early executuion of Article 50 without a plan
    Brexiteers in key negotiating positions through the whole process but had no grasp of the hard realities of negotiating an orderly exit

    "John Simpson‏Verified account @JohnSimpsonNews 3h3 hours ago
    ‘Getting out of the EU can be quick & easy. The UK holds most of the cards’ - John Redwood.
    ‘There will be no downside to Brexit’ - David Davis
    .‘The Free Trade Agreement that we will do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history’ - Liam Fox."


    I could add he missed out Dominic Raab not understanding we did a lot of trade via Dover Calais"

    The hard brexiteers have continually lived in a parallel universe and not understood how to go about leaving the EU in a way that does not cause massive damage to the country.

    So now the choice is simple
    1 - leave with no deal - almost anyone with any grasp of commercial reality knows that this would be catastrophic for our ecomomy health service and food supply

    2. Take the deal which is on the table - a Deal that neither the remainers or the leavers like - so at least it unifies the country all be it for the worst possible reasons

    3. or give up on the whole thing and ask nicely if we can stay

    For me only option 3 makes any sense.
     
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    portsmouth tyke Well-Known Member

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    ??? I don't get where the insult came from plankton, I wasn't having a dig at anybody
     
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    This.
     
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    It didn’t say we should rip up our agreements of how a member state should leave on rules we helped draw up .
     
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    You won, we lost. Get over it.
     
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    If we had a vote to ask people who are thirsty, and 52% said they were... you wouldn't have a consensus what drink should be had by that 52%. You'd have some similarities, some differences, some deciding not quite, maybe later, immediately and much else besides.

    To summarise Brexit as this binary simple choice is ridiculous, and in itself shows why the people were not qualified with the relevant evidence to take a decision.

    Just seeing the information shared by the EU (impressive how they had a lengthy press conference breaking down articles and appendices etc late at night, while we had a 90 second waffle buzz word newscall) highlighted the complexity. I can say from first hand experience, Cyprus and Gibraltar weren't in my thinking as I voted. Nor did I envisage backstops that created an advantage for northern Ireland and making it harder for Wales and Scotland to benefit from investment.
     
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    Brexit means Brexit.
     

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