Sorry all ...but Brexit

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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    I find it ironic that under E.U rules the government can't bail out the steel industry. Would the E.U rather see 5000 redundancies? Better off out of it for me.
     
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    I thought one of the main gripes for leavers was the fact that the EU hadn't changed and wouldn't change?
     
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    Can't under WTO rules either...check mate.
     
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    It’s not quite that simple.
    There are many government run companies across the EU, many of them with a presence in the UK providing services here.

    The EU wanted to increase tariffs on Chinese steel to support our steel industry, it was vetoed by the UK because we wanted cheap steel for HS2.

    That little story tells you 3 things about the UK and EU governments.
    1 The EU cares more about British jobs than our tory government do
    2 the EU is a democracy that we have a lot of influence over (not an undemocratic organisation we have no say in)
    3 our own government cares more about getting people into London more than it cares about jobs and infrastructure across the rest of the UK. whereas most of the EU money coming here goes to the regions.
     
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    Scoff Well-Known Member

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    I believe polls showed that the oldest generation didn't forget - those that were actually alive and fought the war were more likely to vote Remain. Its the generations after the war that formed a significant part of the Leave vote - and it appears to be mainly those that bring up the war at every opportunity.
     
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    I’m aware of that, unfortunately those that lived through the war are sadly dwindling, most ‘older’ people are the baby boomers, who as you say never really grasped what a charmed life they had.
     
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    Scoff Well-Known Member

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    And typically, it won't be 5,000 redundancies. That is the direct cost. Each of those is a consumer of services, so the knock-on effect is likely to be several times larger, particularly in towns like Scunthorpe where its a large clump of job losses. It will affect shops, takeaways, pubs, taxis, deliveries, hairdressers, childminders, council workers (less council tax), builders, car sales, etc, etc. The indirect effects of a large scale redundancy like this is estimated to be about 10 times the original job losses.
     
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    You mean right wing nutcase sites like that well-known mouthpiece of the left The Washington Post.........

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/22/globalism-is-under-siege-heres-how-save-it-why/

    You need to get your head out of your *rse.
     
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    That article doesn't use the word 'globalist' once, as far as I can see. That word specifically has very obvious right-wing connotations that aren't anywhere near as apparent in the words that the article you linked does use. See also "international banking families".
     
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    As above:
    My head's not up my arse - globalisation is a term used by economists and politicians and the public at large for the last 40 years. Globalist is a more recently coined term used by right wing nutjobs who see an international conspiracy rather than the obvious outcome of cheap transport and widening trade. The kind of people who are responsible for the surge in Nationalist politics from India to the US, from Eastern Europe to middle England. As I posted previously, ignoring the lessons of the 2nd world war.
     
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    Many of those leading this surge are those that deny climate change, are "pro-life", anti gun control and anti-vaccination. Look no further than the like of Bannon, Murdoch, the Koch brothers. All very rich men who want to be richer and want the world to be controlled by rich white men.
     
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    My father is one example born in 1923 and voted Remain, he never mentions the war he also lost a brother in the battle of Monty Casino.
     
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    Didnt the government provide a £120m loan to British Steel to pay Eu fines due to Carbon Emissions?

    As a comparison both Belgium and Italys governments rescued their steel industries. The Eu sued them.
     
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    The £120m loan to pay the Carbon emissions fines that they wouldn't have had to pay if we hadn't voted out (or had ratified the withdrawal agreement)? The offsetting was no longer allowed because we were leaving.

    If the UK government had not vetoed tariffs against Chinese steel, then the Scunthorpe plant wouldn't have been unprofitable - the price of steel has fallen faster than the pound in the last 3 years.
     
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    What will our leaders do when they cant hide behind the EU excuse any longer. Of course they could if they wanted to.
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    It's a shame you can't vote where your taxes are spent. Pisses me of that worthy causes like this are the ones that fall on death ears.
     
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    Hi Scoff , I hope you are well .
    As an ex steelworker I don't understand why the offsetting is no longer allowed but our ongoing contributions to the EU are .
     
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    I support the Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn.

    • Reverse austerity
    • Renationalise public utilities, steel and the railways etc
    • No involvement in other nations' wars
    • No more PFI's
    • Higher rate of income tax for higher earners
    • A publicly run, publicly accountable NHS free at the point of use
    • More affordable higher education
    • Re-industrialisation of the North of England
    • An enquiry into the Battle of Orgreave
    • Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia
    • Act on climate change
    • Remain in and Reform the EU
    • Ban fracking
    • Shut down Leeds United

    These are things I'd like to see implemented. I feel Labour under JC would act on most.

    I don't necessarily agree with Corbyn's Labour on all issues, for example, I don't believe in getting shut of our nuclear arsenal. Not because I think nuking folk is a good idea, but I think the horse bolted, so many nations have nuclear weapons and therefore we'd be silly to give ours up, because whilst I'm anti-war, I want our country to be able to defend itself, so a nuclear deterrent is probably for the best.

    I don't agree with him totally regards Europe and the EU, but he does suggest remaining and reforming is his stance, which I'd say is the best action.

    I have no issue with him trying to help the peace process in other nations down the years, I do not believe he's a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser as he's been accused of, however, I accept it's not a very good look because he's clearly been involved in so many of these contentious issues and sides with the underdogs who are often painted as the villains.

    He once suggested female-only carriages on trains, for their safety... I found that fcukin stupid.

    I could go on all night, but it's Friday and I'm off out soon, so I won't.


    In summary then, I tend to think of myself as quite a sound enough bloke, all for equality, diversity, a fairer society where folk get along by doing the just things in life. I know that's seen as soft by many, but that's ok. I'm also the worst enemy you could have, so yep, it's not all black or white.

    I look at the Tories and within seconds I see that they pretty much stand for everything that goes against what I'd like/want in the world. The Lib Dems are a proven party of mind-changers, liars and propper-uppers of Tories. The Greens mean well, but they'd be more radical than even I could stomach. The other parties are of little interest to me, none of them stand out other than (for the wrong reasons) the far right ones such as this new Brexit vehicle for Farage who is basically a diseased Tory.

    For the many, not the few. Come on the Reds, up the JC.
     
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