So they're better off on benefits then? I still don't understand why people in this thread are defending people CHOOSING to claim benefits instead of work when they are fit to do so. And being a carer isn't really being on benefits as it's essentially (poorly) paid work. I'm talking about such as the person who when invited to an interview replied with '**** off'. Also yes I do regularly visit a family member to help look after them, it's about a 20/25 mile round trip. I have quite a few people who I buy for at Christmas, I have savings to pay for any maintenance issues and have always followed the rule of making sure I have 6 months mortgage payments in the bank just in case I get made redundant again (as I have been before). As I said, minimum wage leaves me with hundreds of pounds a month left over for these things. Also as I've already explained my issue isn't with people on benefits for genuine reasons, it's for those who are just lazy scroungers. My claim that NMW is enough to live on doesn't mean it's enough for every single person but for many many people it is and people constantly telling kids that they'll never be able to afford a house and telling people that NMW won't be enough to live on only encourages people to a. Not be sensible with their money (because why bother? They'll never afford a house anyway so might as well have fun with it) and b. Encourages benefits cheats because why bother to work when NMW isn't enough to live on? NMW is enough for many many people to live on especially round here and whilst it's good to encourage people to strive for better it's also important to remind people that the low paid jobs are worthwhile and are much better lifestyle than sitting on your arse on job seekers. Was discussing this thread at work today and 4 of us said that NMW is enough for us to live comfortable lives, wouldn't mind more obviously but it's enough. 2 of us are single, ones a single dad, one is in a relationship and has 2 children, 1 is married with no kids. One said it's not enough to live on at all, he's massively in debt. He's also a drug addict who smokes 20 a day, drinks himself to death and buys packs on FIFA every night. I can't work out why he's struggling to pay his rent personally.